Maybe as (someone’s own chatmail) server-side hack to get around current DC dev direction (which is think is right in general).
Updated: … but this needs to accept ‘Trust the server’ model, which DC do not use (and I like it).
If I own and trust the chatmail server, I can patch it how I see fit. But for actually accepting cleartext mails I should also trust all (or some) classic email servers (and DNS+TLS infrastructure) which will send me mail via SMTPS. I don’t like it for many reasons. Other option is to allow cleartext only between server’ users - but this contributes nothing to ease of setting up a normal encrypted DC conversation.
this lost my reply: If I recall, SimpleLogin allows mail forwarding to an address, encrypting it with PGP public key. If Delta either 1) supports import of PGP key, or 2) export of public key to import into Simplelogin, one could have a forwarding wrapper that encrypts in PGP before sending on, thus going into Chatmail.
Also, I didn’t like this change, but I am persuaded it is good so that admins don’t need GDPR policies, etc for mail they don’t want to read.
Yes, this SimpleLogin workaround seems to work. Replying to mailing lists by this route doesn’t seem to work, though. A Mailman bot might be useful, or a selfhostable Simplelogin-alike plugin for Chatmail relays, though neither seems simple.
Actually, this is de-facto similar to Jami does (though actually they use a key registr). It is easier to transmit an e-mail address than a key, so this could make an initial connection easier. But it is riskier. You have tp trust the server.
I meant that for example, I as a chatmail operator, I am not paying it so people can use it for unencrypted newsletters, I pay for the server so people can use it for encrypted chatting, there are tons of other options out there like DuckDuckGo that allows you to subscribe to newsletters with an alias address that forwards everything to your actual email address without exposing your real email address, and on top of that they even remove trackers from the incoming newsletters, etc. much better option made for that than using my chatmail server for that, it would waste the resources of my servers, which I prefer to offer to people that actually want to use it for secure chatting
As a counterpoint, I was looking into hosting a chatmail server and actively decided against it once I realized chatmail was incompatible with classic email. I love Delta Chat because it’s interoperable with email, so why would I want to enable more users to silo themselves off into walled gardens?
in that case what you want to host is a classic email server, not chatmail, nothing wrong with it
you can’t mix chatmail concept with unencrypted classic email functionality, the whole point of chatmail is the easy signup process and not having strict rate limits for sending messages, which is not possible if you allow unencrypted email, due to spammer abuse
please don’t try to depict the situation now as a “silo” and “walled garden”, people can interact between chatmail and classic email servers as long as messages are encrypted, it is just that the purpose of chatmail servers is for secure encrypted email with near-zero metadata, that is what their users want, no unencrypted “trust me bro” email servers where they have to trust you (or your government forcing you) to not spy and read their messages
so you can setup an unencrypted email server, but I will not use it, nor will I recommend it to people, I don’t trust you, nor should I need to trust you, that is the whole point of chatmail
(side topic: talking about silos, guess who decided to block my chatmail server arcanechat.me even when I only allow encrypted messages and spam is not possible??? Gmail the classic email provider that is not a “walled garden”!? it was working in the past now they suddenly claim my domain is suspicious)
@november, I think you can run a Chatmail server and enable unencrypted mail for selected trusted accounts.
Much though I’d like to be able to use Autocrypt-standard encrypted mail for everything, in practice we need bridges to the unencrypted world. Bots seem suited. A private proxy bot might be quite useful, though the existence of public services suggests thatit is possible to maintain a public service (probably not easy enough for a volunteer-run Chatmail relay, though).
Every sympathy on the Gmail block (it is really problematic with Gmail so dominant in the mail market). I’ve heard that story before. Of course false positive are inevitable, but if they don’t fix on request, I’d suggest a polite public complaint; Google is currently under antitrust scrutiny and may be more responsive than usual (see https://keepandroidopen.org for related contacts and, for context, Google makes first Play Store changes after losing Epic Games antitrust case - Ars Technica).