Idea: port TiddlyWiki to WebXDC

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TiddlyWiki is a standalone single HTML file wiki that can save itself by offering a download of modified copy of itself or storing itself on one of the many available hosting providers, e.g. saving itself to GitHub, GitLab, WebDAV etc. All these options can be removed to save space and another option to use sendToChat() API added instead.

The source code of TiddlyWiki is at GitHub and developer documentation is a TiddlyWiki itself.

It is a bit too large by default, empty edition is 2.4M, but for an experiment this restriction can be removed or maybe it is possible to reduce it enough by dropping unnecessary default plugins and saving methods. Also gzipped the file empty.html.gz is only 427K, so inside an .xdc ZIP archive it can be small.

Then the user workflow would be to save a prepared empty version of TiddlyWiki.xdc to Saved Messages, open it, edit and save a new copy via ā€œsend to chatā€. No need to send any webxdc updates or merge changes, as TiddlyWiki is usually used as a personal wiki. Sending it to some chat would also be possible, but if two users edit at the same time they will send two different updated copies to the chat then and have to merge them manually.

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This is funny app.

So, the benefits off a webxdc version (compared to HTML) are:

  • Better protection against data exfiltration
  • Easier sync between devices thanks to the messengerā€™s ā€œsaved messagesā€
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Not sure if useful for the main idea, good master link2xt. Dokuwiki uses simple txt-files.

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Dokuwiki is written in PHP and requires a server to run. DokuWiki is a personal wiki that anyone with a web browser can run locally to store their notes without the need to have a PHP-supporting server somewhere.

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ā€œTiddlyWikiā€¦ā€

My person ā€˜seesā€™ whatā€™s the point here. Just thought it might be a kind of trying just to bridge.

A html-editor app with an alternative to php.

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Looove TiddlyWiki! It would be nice to see this app. :raised_hands:

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I would actually like it too if there was such an app.
I must say that there is also another alternative, ā€œwiki on a stickā€ which is a bit old but seems to still work.
This is the most updated version I could find: GitHub - tomasss1024/woas: Wiki on a Stick (Woas) is a complete wiki in a single HTML file that works in every major browser, including older versions (even IE6!). It can store and display images and files within itself and is incredibly useful for research and documentation.

It is a single 700kb file, compressed into a zip file takes just a little bit more than 200kb and every time you make a change the file is updated and re-downloaded with the changes.

Of course it would be nicer to be able to edit it simultaneously.

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I was planning to create a group with some people on deltachat and wanted to edit some documents together with the participants.
Something similar to a wiki would be useful, I saw that there is the ā€œrealtime editorā€ application but it would be useful to have at least two more features: multipage and internal links.
I wanted to see if I could figure it out myself, but I have just a little bit of python knowledge and a really little web knowledge.
I tried to read a bit of webxdcā€™s guide however it is not in-depth enough for my skills.
Also I saw that it is recommended to install the simulator, which works, however it has not been updated on npm and does not support p2p apps, I am not able to install directly the version on github that is more updated.
As for the editor, I went to look in the repository and learned it is a fork of the other editor and use a library called ā€œprosemirrorā€ for implements its functionality.
Could anyone help me with this? in any way, even giving me more explanations of how to do it myself
Thanks

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I think I have found a very good candidate to make a webxdc of a wiki:

58 kb decompressed, 22 compressed.
I tried it and the interface is very sober and nice, not confusing at all.
I would say the only flaw is that it does not support simultaneous editing by multiple users.
Would anyone feel like porting? Or maybe give me some suggestions so that I can try it myself?

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Try this out, let me know if it works good enough.

featherwiki.xdc (52.1 KB)

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Thanks! tried it quickly (Iā€™ll try it better this evening because Iā€™m going out), it works although it seems to me that you canā€™t close the window
When I get back Iā€™ll try to understand it better!

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Instead, no, it is a feature that you cannot close, because you have to save.
I didnā€™t see the save button because I have a very aggressive color setting on my screen, however now that was away I tried it on another computer and it works.
Can I offer you a coffee somewhere?

P.s. oops, however you still canā€™t close it even after saving, on the other pc I had been able to do that because it had windows and it would forcefully close it for me.
I was wrong, after restarting deltachat, now the windows close without problem

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I think I will spend some time trying to understand how your application works.

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What?

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Itā€™s the same as in the browser, but instead of downloading the HTML file, it puts it inside a zip and share it to the chat as .xdc.

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Itā€™s like to say that sometimes somebody has an account for donations or things like that

maybe i will start by doing a diff between the feather vanilla file and the html inside your xdc

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That project has a build step, I didnā€™t just edited the file, you will learn nothing by doing a diff, you need to do a diff between commits of the source code and I havenā€™t uploaded the changes I made to the source code yet.
Anyway if you just want to understand how it works I can explain a little (davidsm@systemli.org).

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ok, Iā€™ll contact you though I hope Iā€™m up to the explanation.
Can the email also be contacted with a chatmail address or should I use a regular email address?

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Would it be possible to have a bot manage the webxdc? It could solve the problems of saving the wiki, such as deleting the oldest wiki or making it unavailable in the case of concurrent edits, and perhaps be able to export it to PDF