@simon, how about you stop being active agressive just because I have a different opinion than you? And a smiley at the end doesnt make things better.
I am just a user, and I have biggest respect for people who know how to code. If I could help, I would.
I just fear that DC might lose track pf becoming a messenger, might be slowed down by tendencies to make it a full fledged MUA with a chat-UI.
DC has a great potential with all the people annoyed by whattsapp, but as a messenger.
If I had read about Delta Mail, i wouldnt have been interested. Delta Chat is a whole different story.
By giving my opinion I wanted to counterbalance and try to take pressure off the developers to implement things which are not first priority.
I did not criticize the developers (I think, I dont know who is a developer and who isnt) but others who want a one-for-everything solution.
Oh, a smiley:
My post was addressed to testbird, not to you @PaulBemter. Maybe you over-read that.
It’s not about my opinion what delta-chat should or shouldn’t be.
This is what I mean. For me it reads like “oh the developers don’t do their job properly”, maybe thats meant as a Push to push the developers in the right direction… I don’t know… maybe @testbird can share his motivation behind it.
But I don’t want to turn this thread into a discussion about testbird, I just want testbird to stop with this, because it annoys me.
Thank you all for clarifying!
Sorry i understood it wrong.
Hi Simon, sure let me explain, where do you get that from?
There’s this thing with framing pictures, and comparing opinions. They can make one see things in different ways.
It’s not so obvious who is a developer in this forum, so I wasn’t aware you are one before you wrote “our priority”.
PaulBemter introduced himself, appearing to me as new deltachat user, but reasonably seasoned and ambitious.
I think he may benefit from the experience of deltachat users, just as the developers, for introducing deltachat to new users. Allowing to avoid a pitfall or two, and to get a perspective on the expectations, he may have.
Paul expressed qualms about “full MUA” features, and I think he got a couple of responses explaining that proper email interaction is a crucial feature, for not just being yet another messenger, but becoming an Email-chat messenger that can work separately and cooperatively with traditional emails.
I don’t think email cooperation would be much of a slow down, because mostly it is already working. Code is there, it would just need some rearrangements for a reachability setting and the simple “all emails” (chat view) [The perfect “emails organized by the list of contacts” (chat list view) is not crucial to allow reaching out to an email contact with a chat, and can wait.]
Still, just simply providing a better name for listing the incoming emails has been a long standing issue Better name for “Contact requests” issue #5 since Oct. 2017, at least it has not been closed “for discussion” without any fix, as so many others.
It’s just a description, so what in particular do you consider wrong?
It would be irritating, should it contain something that should not be told publicly.
Were just more details missing?
For me it reads like “oh the developers don’t do their job properly”.
I don’t know, what is their job? Where do you get that frame?
Is there really no fun in solving things properly, anymore? More suggestions towards some political agenda, even demagoguery, anti-factual dogmas, shouting about some words, and building up an in-group and defensiveness?
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Steps like introducing the “show emails” option and it’s default “no”, can look like splitting and degrading deltachat towards just yet another messenger, instead of leting options work more broadly and cooperatively (combining common needs and ideas into quite universal configurability).
In any case, after the project has taken funds, the first priority has not appeared to be put to fixing or improving problems that were reported publicly about already released features, even if they were found to be detrimental to the universal usability.
As most points of the article discussed here have already been reported long before, so that the article would not have had to suffer from them, it seems rather realistically to moderate newcomer expectations about improvements. Yes, I wish things could improve, and I had worked on listing and summarizing the most basic usability issues, so that they might not get lost in the forum like this topics findings, but get fixed maybe an-issue-a-week, eventually.
You’re right we should already solve the subject manner and the contact request naming manner. I agree.
Believe it or not that was actually a community request. “I don’t want to get emails in deltachat, I have my mail program/app for that.”
I think we could solve such problems with a better help site that explains everything and maybe a small wizard at the first start of the app. But actually such a wizard is a risk, because most people want to use it simply as a messenger and have already an email app connected to that, and might be scared away by such a wizard.
Not to mention that WhatsApp is not only through the network effect as successful as it is, but also because the simple 2 step setup:
- Put in your phonenumber
- recieve the sms and put - in the code (they even do that step automaticaly if you give them access to your sms messages)
But let’s discuss this topic in the thread it actually belongs to Use-cases, chat rules and configuration options - #14 by Simon
All right, I’ll answer in the other thread.