The current profile in v2.43.0 no longer provides any way to show all relays (design regression)

[ell1e]

The current profile in v2.43.0 no longer provides any way to show all relays, which seems like a UI design regression. The “Encryption Info” still shows one, but not all of them. I think the easiest way to fix this would be to show all relays in “Encryption Info”. (Sorry if this info is still available in a different spot and I simply missed it.)

This can be a specifically relevant when a techie user is trying to match a specific email error message to a specific users with certainty.

[ian]

If you paste in the email address you found in the bounce error text into the top search box, it will pop up the contact that caused said error.

[r10s]

not sure what you mean. in the contact’s profile, never all relays were shown - for the simple reason, that all released versions do not know about more than one relay of the chat partner.

and that relay is visible in the “Encryption info”

upcoming version, however, will propagate multiple relays - which still will not be shown in primary UI as avarage user shall just not care, but encryption info or so probably makes sense

[link2xt]

I will add list of relays to encryption info in WIP: multi-relay routing by link2xt · Pull Request #7898 · chatmail/core · GitHub
The list of relays is going to be distributed in the key, so encryption info is a good place to list all relays of the contact.

[ell1e]

I don’t see a search box, perhaps v2.43.0 desktop doesn’t ship that one yet? In any case, it’s cool to hear that it’ll be added to “Encryption Info”.

[Low]

@r10s

upcoming version, however, will propagate multiple relays - which still will not be shown in primary UI as avarage user shall just not care

What happens if I decide I only want to use my own personal chatmail relay? So I remove the two I currently use and add my new one. How do my contacts know how to reach me?

[link2xt]

You need to send a message to your contacts for them to learn about your new relay. You can even do it after removing old relays. Better keep old relays as “hidden” for some time, this is offered when you try to delete them.

[Low]

@link2xt

Better keep old relays as “hidden” for some time, this is offered when you try to delete them.

Ah! So when I add a new relay, that new relay gets shared with my contacts and THEN it’s safe to remove the old. After I interact with all my contacts at least.

[bencan]

@Low

Ah! So when I add a new relay, that new relay gets shared with my contacts and THEN it’s safe to remove the old. After I interact with all my contacts at least.

There are already some suggestions how Delta Chat could make it easier to know when it is safe to remove the old relay.

Display a counter next to each relay showing how many contacts depend on it

When switching to a new relay it is helpful to know if any of your contacts only know about your old relay before you delete it. To make it easier to know if it is safe to delete an old relay, I suggest adding a counter next to each relay when you open the relay settings which shows how many of your contacts depend on the relay (because they don’t know about your other relays) for example “6 of your contacts only know about this relay”. If the counter is zero then you know it is safe to delete. …

Add visibility into which relays contacts know you on [informed removal of transports]

So i think a feedback from contact showing in with relay they actually know us could be a nice addition, so when we (as user) want to remove a relay, we can check on the relay page (or in the contact page (or even both)), if any of our contact only know us on this relay. This would allow us to contact them once to “update” the relay they know us, and allow us to after remove the relay properly. Expected behavior Having somewhere to see either : 1 - See the relay the selected contact know for …