Hello everybody,.
is there any way to completey disable encryption of produced Messages in newer versions?
I would be a real killer feature.
I switched to Deltachat few years ago to be able to work with my messages not only on my mobile but from thunderbird, or webmail on any computer. No other messenger offers it.
It was a game changer. i tried really hard too pull as many friends and collegues to use it as i could, for years. but now i am getting only encrypted gibberish from anyone i managed to talk into using deltachat. so now i have to ask everybody to not use deltachat anymore, the very peope i have told to use it, i now ask to just use their email client to send me any messages.
Life should not be like that. it is so unnecessary and sad and completely absurd.
i do not know who had this “great” idea to force encryption on everybody, but this is incompatible with a lot of use cases.
Please anybody, is there a way to disable it again? Please, please, plan this “featuter”.
An even more exquisite extra would be to have meaningful Subect line of sent mesages again, like it used to be, before it was broken with the “Message fom xx” everybody receiving it instantly considers spam i know it is for encryption reasons. i was never needing or using it. it was always only an obstacle iin the otherwise, just incredibly great program.
Please somebody, is there a way? i will have to switch away and take all my friends with me, after these years of strongly evangelizing Deltachat. it is so sad.
I would even offer a bounty on reenabling it and meaningful subjects again.
would be really happy, to hear there is away to do it, i was not able to figure out.
PPROJ
P.S:i can only dream of a possibility of setting subject sometimes,when i need it, like separating it by a first colon in text, orf just connecting and processing messages without further complexity of encryption from the Database of my deltachat. which is all encrypted, but yes this i do not really expect to be possible.
Anyway thanks to everybody involved for the years of developing and supporting the best messenger ever. just seems to slowly become incompatble with many use cases by forcing things on me
Hello ,
maybe the DC fork ArcaneChat might be something for you. In this app, it’s still possible to completely disable encryption for regular email accounts. Hopefully, it will stay that way.
There’s also a webxdc app called “E-mail Composer,” which only works in ArcaneChat. It lets you create HTML emails and specify a subject.
The app doesn’t necessarily have to be in the chat where you want to send a message. For example, you can load it into the “Saved Messages” and send emails from there to your various other chats.
I’m using 1.58.2 on desktop (I want to try deltatauri version soon) and continue to use it to send normal emails (I think forced encryption has been enabled only for chatmail accounts).
Of course I would like to be able to send more than one attachment per email, in which case I have to go into webmail, however except for that I find deltachat really ultra-convenient even as an email client and I can understand your disappointment.
I honestly understand why unencrypted email support for chatmail accounts was disabled, the reason being that being so easy to open they would be used for spam.
I would simply advise you to also set up a common mail account on deltachat and continue to live happily, I too hope that support for normal emails will be maintained and improved.
It is my fairly strong opinion that the premise that users are too stupid to understand how to use encryption and there’s only one right way and it must be forced on everyone is regrettable.
I feel like delta chat does so much right that it clogs the channel for any alternatives that would follow a similar model of leveraging SMTP/IMAP infrastructure and the ease with which interoperable, open-standards based, self-hosted servers can be set up, which is a front-handed complement to the dev team as they’ve done a really great job - if anything too good.
At the same time, there is a concerted effort to make what will always be a niche project as close to as easy to use as whatsapp or signal that is confounding to the admittedly niche-of-a-niche users that have different use cases they wish they could use with this wonderfully developed infrastructure.
This edge of the niche, to use non-EtE chat certainly makes sense as SMTP transfers are almost always encrypted and any email infrastructure has already made assumptions that the vastly more critical, hugely more sensitive actual email is either always encrypted (forced TLS) or not in transit. I’m not sure how one could justify holding far less critical short-form messaging to a higher standard, especially when it compromises security.
The other end of the market, those with who might be using PGP for email and, as anyone who cares about security would, keeping their private keys encrypted on their devices (say with Openkeychain, despite the feature freeze for how) can’t. Delta-chat doesn’t protect your keys on your device. At all. Loose your device (say at a border crossing) and your messages are compromised - the whole EtE premise is pretty much an illusion, more security theater than security.
Now does the password-protected encryption of one’s PGP keys on a device actually add additional security? Well…
Anyhoo, I do wish there was a “expert” mode where if Openkeychain is available, it is used and where if one wants, one can disable autocrypt and rely on transport security while still using delta chat for the awesome feature of being able to easily self-host the server infrastructure and not having to gift one’s entire metadata trove to Google or Meta or whoever.
It is possible to export your encryption keys from DeltaChat, and use those in Thunderbird to decrypt incoming and encrypt outgoing messages automatically.
Look at Settings > Advanced > Send autocrypt setup message.
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