Let's switch to a new messenger?


#21

I don’t think it’s a good idea.
A short mail can also be a regular mail. And a longer mail can also be a chat message.

So users would not understand why one message come as a contact request and a other will not. It would be really confusing.


#22

I first talked with people, and then sent a message with links and instructions. As the template of the invite feature was not available before v.0.100 (January 23)., it was compiled manually.

Wanting to “hear personal success stories with it” after disabling it after some unannounced two month availability, is a funny wish.


#23

Hello webratte,

The distinction between short emails and chat messages is what “contact request prompts” are actually good for.

The case is clear for emails with long texts and chat messages from Email-chat clients.
The difficulty lies only in the emails with short texts, independent from possibly larger attachments. All other messages can safely either be ignored, or opened in a chat, without ever having to bother the user with a question!

So the prompt would only have to ask something like

Start a chat to answer this email (it has less than 350 characters)?
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| Please call me on the phone, when you’re back. |
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And it’s a clear case for the user.
(This forum post is already a 934 character “email” text.)

Kind Regards,
testbird


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No contact request is poping up
[Wiki] Use-cases, chat rules and configuration options
Will chatty support COI?
#24

Oh, and with the email text limit to ask about opening new chats, the prompt will obviously only have to appear for much less messages than in the past (all emails from known contacts).

  • All the full format emails can already get filtered out
  • and chat messages can open a chat right away, by default.

(All the above only from known contacts of course.)

Email-responses to messages from an existing chat may of course be longer than the size limit.
[Wiki] Use-cases, chat rules and configuration options


Edit:

Longer and shorter email messages are no problem as replies to chat messages (as said). But only for short new incoming-chat emails. If one doesn’t want to be asked about them, it should be possible to reduce the “max. length for new-chat email” to zero, and then there would be no prompts about emails anymore (just as with the current “show no emails”.


#25

@testbird I understand you, but please can we be more kind??? there is no need to get mad because a “invite friend” view, can we put clearly the pros and cons in a concise/short bullets points so it is easier for the devs and users to know what are the motivations of both sides?

we are getting really offtopic, I also think contact request compatibility is broken but why are we discussing about contact request here???

Regards,
adb :slight_smile:


#26

to be honest I think the invite friends can be useful but I had never used it, since I don’t use other messengers than deltachat


#27

Because hpk cited “streamlined-contact-requests” above, trying to make that look like something apparently thinking that it would further email compatibility (which it actually breaks).
Maybe it was just an overlooked consequence.

It’s not the first time, discussions arise with reasons.

All the options and alternatives have been raised before, in issue reports that got closed pushing to the forum for “discussion”. Without much responses, questions or sign of consideration.
I even lined out a concise and consistent bullet point draft for a minimal set of options that are able to cover many, if not all use-cases, as a wiki page.

Then compatibility and usability is broken, and features get removed, without any prior question or discussion on the forum.


#28

@testbird @hpk
I propose that you discuss this communication issue in a new meta post and talk it out there.
Sometimes developers remove features as they see fit, so opening a page/list/poll where people can rate vote for bringing features back would be helpful. So maybe the developers can add things they removed to the list and people can comment and vote why they want it back. (@testbird could develop that one)

But lets continue the discussion in a new meta thread dedicated to this problem.


#29

Yes, that’s what I meant with “sound better”, because people don’t really like changing their habits, even more when they’re not concerned with their digital rights.

So, the idea was to foment their wonder and suggest a change. They’ll like the practical advantages, not privacy respecting issues (sad but true).

Hey! BTW I liked your

and I would suggest putting a link to direct download there!

:slight_smile:


#30

Wasn’t this a thread about ideas for improving the “invite text” template?

If the template feature is not there, will users know how to avoid the possible difficulties with sending a simple “let’s switch”, and know that it might be better to use a special link?

It should therefore be 100% fine to discuss the pro and con aspects of completely removing the invite text template, here.